Curse

Bob Slydell · May 29, 2010, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Thanks...nothing from A-net/ncsoft...just that canned response everyone's talking about...anyways I'm at that point were I can't be bothered to try...I tried to explain my best to the community and mostly got arrogance and assumptions...some arguments were good though and I admit it,but mostly not.

If I learned anything from my favorite movie (Shawshank Redemption) is that if you annoy the big guys enough,you'l get what you want...I plan to send a mail every month or so...they won't respond but they'l have to see it in their mail list

They will probably try to block your mail address or file an FBI complaint LOL.

cormac ap dunn · May 29, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

If I learned anything from my favorite movie (Shawshank Redemption) is that if you annoy the big guys enough,you'l get what you want...I plan to send a mail every month or so...they won't respond but they'l have to see it in their mail list

I don't know if you realize that sometimes the big guys don't give you what you want, no matter how annoying you are. My post above at least gives you something to do, should the annoyance route not work. but from the response letters that have been posted:

" Please note that this is the final communication we will be giving in response to this appeal. Subsequent communication about this matter will be closed without response.

Take care,

Lead GM Oghma
The Guild Wars Support Team"

the mailing won't get you anywhere.

Hollygen · May 29, 2010, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

People who will act as though they are better than you will do so with or without a green star. I would think that Bots would actually lessen that, b/c there would be lots of green star bots, and green stars would become cheaper so that everyone who wanted one could have one.
I'm not saying botting is wonderful, but its more preferable than allowing others to decide what you do on your pc with products you bought. Legislation of behavior is never a good thing.

The green star botter gets lots of green stars. He makes his money selling his green stars to the non green star botters...and because of his stockpile can make a lot of money.

He can now buy that highly priced rare red star he wants.

The non-botter also wants the red star, and puts in a bid. The green star botter can out-bid the non-botter, due to his income from botting.
The price of red stars goes up in line with market forces. The number of non-botters who can now afford red stars diminishes

PVE is impacted.

Just look at the prices in the High End forum, and see the impact easy money has on an economy. Now I'm not saying everyone in High End is a botter, by all means, but I'm pretty sure that botting has contributed to that

insta111 · May 29, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

I don't know why everyone is complaining about the canned response. Seeing as how this went down just a few days ago, the few people still on GW1 are most likely flooded with emails to respond to.

Ka Tet · May 29, 2010, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by Hollygen

The green star botter gets lots of green stars. He makes his money selling his green stars to the non green star botters...and because of his stockpile can make a lot of money.

He can now buy that highly priced rare red star he wants.

The non-botter also wants the red star, and puts in a bid. The green star botter can out-bid the non-botter, due to his income from botting.
The price of red stars goes up in line with market forces. The number of non-botters who can now afford red stars diminishes

PVE is impacted.

Just look at the prices in the High End forum, and see the impact easy money has on an economy. Now I'm not saying everyone in High End is a botter, by all means, but I'm pretty sure that botting has contributed to that

Ummm... you missed a few factors.
Red star botters = more red stars, the number of non-botters who can now afford red stars increases.
Add in the ecto botters, the price of ectos decreases, also effectively lowering the cost of high end items.
Greater supply in a deflationary market = everybody wins.

Also, you probably don't want to rely on guru forum prices when making purchases.

cormac ap dunn · May 29, 2010, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Ummm... you missed a few factors.
Red star botters = more red stars, the number of non-botters who can now afford red stars increases.
Add in the ecto botters, the price of ectos decreases, also effectively lowering the cost of high end items.
Greater supply in a deflationary market = everybody wins.

Also, you probably don't want to rely on guru forum prices when making purchases.

you missed a few factors as well, the people that bot said ectos also buy up said ectos to horde on there illicitly funded accounts, to buy even more high end items thus driving up the costs of said high end items so that only the botters who farmed the ectos they now horde can afford them (use these forums high end section for examples), funny thing about a market saturated with an item used as currency, eventually the only people that have the majority of that currency are the people who supply it

Ka Tet · May 29, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

you missed a few factors as well, the people that bot said ectos also buy up said ectos to horde on there illicitly funded accounts, to buy even more high end items thus driving up the costs of said high end items so that only the botters who farmed the ectos they now horde can afford them (use these forums high end section for examples), funny thing about a market saturated with an item used as currency, eventually the only people that have the majority of that currency are the people who supply it

Are they hording ectos or injecting them into the economy by buying things with them? You can have either a net decrease or a net increase, you cannot have a net increase and decrease simultaneously. Since I know what I just said is going to confuse you, I will try to make this as clear as possible. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 50 ecto, there is no effect they balance out. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 75 ecto, 25 new ecto hit the market. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 25 ecto, 25 existing ecto leave the market.
If they're hoarding ectos, high end prices drop because supply dramatically increases. If they're spending them, ectos become cheaper by extension the high end items bought with ecto cost less b/c ecto costs less. If they are hoarding and spending in equal number, there is no effect.

Phaern Majes · May 29, 2010, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Zomg, think of the poor poor helpless ectos just sitting in those now abandoned xunlai storage compartments. Plz Anet give me 5 minutes alone with said compartments

Heh I also like the sudden increase in members with "Ascalonian Squire" under their names.

cormac ap dunn · May 29, 2010, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Are they hording ectos or injecting them into the economy by buying things with them? You can have either a net decrease or a net increase, you cannot have a net increase and decrease simultaneously. Since I know what I just said is going to confuse you, I will try to make this as clear as possible. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 50 ecto, there is no effect they balance out. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 75 ecto, 25 new ecto hit the market. If one botter buys 50 ecto and takes it out of the market, and another botter spends 25 ecto, 25 existing ecto leave the market.
If they're hoarding ectos, high end prices drop because supply dramatically increases. If they're spending them, ectos become cheaper by extension the high end items bought with ecto cost less b/c ecto costs less. If they are hoarding and spending in equal number, there is no effect.

quite frankly "sir" i won't insult your "intelligence" by pointing out that hoarded ectos cannot Dramatically Increase supply, as they are taken out of circulation, and the first bolded statement? bit of a jab at my comprehension eh? classy... so, I'll slow things down for you a bit too, who buys the high end items? botters, who sells the high end items? the botters, who needs the ectos for the high end items? you guessed it, the botters... now where are all those economy balancing ectos at? botters accounts perhaps? guess what, effectivly no botter has helped our economy. Finally in one last stroke of greed and sloth, botters hit the economy in a very interesting way, the simple act of existing and being banned took several unique, rare and irreplaceable items out of the game. Effectivly driving the price of the remaining rare and unique items even higher then before, so was this not a negative impact caused by breaching the EULA?

ZainAhmed · May 29, 2010, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by Nerel

You didn't read about what the bot actually did before you downloaded and used it? You had to have a clue that it would give you an unfair advantage in PvP, right?
If the answer is 'Yes' then yes, you did realize that you were doing something terribly wrong.

I understand what you're mean when you say that you saw how effective the bot was and decided not to use it, that is almost a commendable decision... but loyalty? No, the loyal players are the ones that knew better than to ever touch a bot. Sorry.

Have you been in contact with NCsoft support? If you honestly only used the bot long enough to d-shot half a dozen times they very well might overturn your permanent ban or reduce it to something less severe.

Well the thing about knowing how unfair it is, that's unfair to me...you don't know how unfair/exploitable those things are until you try it yourself or it is tried on you(maybe), right? That's what I did wrong...it was on my side a harmless attempt to have fun or temporary leetness in pvp but I've been such a fan of this game,5 years, and this is like unbelieveable for me...one little mishap.

How can you know better if you have NEVER used a bot...i mean never. Do I have proof of that? No. Should arena net have proof of my bot activity? Yes. Should that indicate my "rejection" of bots. Yes. Will I get my account back? Hell no. There are too many people banned for NCsoft or Anet to handle.

So yes I have been in contact and the final message I got is basically sounds like this..." We don't care what you did, you used it once or even someone used it once on your account, end of story...bye bye."

Even a few of my friends who like me used it out of curiosity but we thought we wouldn't be detected if you don't use it that much or even ever again. Another reason that did lead me to use the bot, I remember now, was syncers in RA which was frustrating but still it was wrong to use it.

cormac ap dunn · May 29, 2010, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by ZainAhmed

How can you know better if you have NEVER used a bot...i mean never. Do I have proof of that? No. Should arena net have proof of my bot activity? Yes. Should that indicate my "rejection" of bots. Yes. Will I get my account back? Hell no. There are too many people banned for NCsoft or Anet to handle....

Even a few of my friends who like me used it out of curiosity but we thought we wouldn't be detected if you don't use it that much or even ever again. Another reason that did lead me to use the bot, I remember now, was syncers in RA which was frustrating but still it was wrong to use it.

How you know, is you read the terms of use, the EULA, and even the messages at login, then simply, you do not use them. plenty of people haven't been banned for this, those same people also felt no desire to bot, or at least never acted on any desire they did have...

And yes, I'm sure like everyone who was banned, you never thought YOU would be caught. its sad that hindsight is 20/20. but you now have the knowledge and experience to learn right from wrong, make something good come of this, learn from it. you cheated, even just that once, you lost your account, but you don't have to lose your ability to learn and bring that to the next game. good luck to you in whatever you do next.

Femmefatal · May 29, 2010, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

It would seem that by not effectively curtailing the issue sooner, Anet and NC actually helped to fuel the fire. I would imagine that if you were playing HA or GVG and constantly getting bot-raped, or doing comp mishes and watching the same bots ruin your team's chances of winning on a regular basis, and see those people allowed to engage in that behavior over and over with no repercussions, I would think that some would turn to interrupt-bots to even the score in higher end pvp or use their own bots to afk farm the small faction rewards they were getting from matches ruined by the original botters.
Just my two cents. Thought I'd throw them in before this post gets closed.

I believe there is a saying: Two wrongs do not make it right.

Another is: Birds of a feather flock together

Another is: If you dance you eventually have to pay the fiddler.

willie nelson · May 29, 2010, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

As I said... my botting incident was long ago,I deleted everything,long before the ban.

It's funny how everyone who got banned here "only tried it once for 2 minutes"...

ousbique · May 29, 2010, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

It's funny how everyone who got banned here "only tried it once for 2 minutes"...

"Do, or do not. There is no 'try.'"

Zarion Silverarrow · May 29, 2010, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by willie nelson

It's funny how everyone who got banned here "only tried it once for 2 minutes"...

Its funny how almost none of the accusations against me have been using the facts I'm giving,instead of saying.

No,you are lying,you used it for 5 years,so you were banned. No-no-no-NO!!!!! you used it for 5 years LALRLALLALALALALALLALALALALLRLALLALAL.

Once again,I respect (with some exeptions) the people that think I shouldn't be unbanned. But if you are not going to belive me,you can't judge what I did,because well,you don't know what I did (since I'm lying according to you)

BuD · May 29, 2010, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Well if you were caught with an aimbot/wallhack or w/e on my UT2k4 server Id ban you & never lift the ban. Even if it was because you wanted to see how it worked & you uninstalled it. If you got a new GUID Id IP ban you. I'd do everything I could to keep you off my server. You tried to cheat, I dont like cheaters, go play else where.

IMO same thing applies here, you cheated, youre banned. Go play else where.

Femmefatal · May 29, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

When you tell the truth of what you did an admit your guilt no you are not lying. When you cry innocense and foul then yes you are lying just like you probably did growing up to your mommy and daddy when your butt was in trouble. You must know by now from just common law the guilty normally get no symphathy for any crime. To prison with all of them or in this case ban them for life as that is a good punishment for using anything but Anet material. I never agreed with any 3rd party programs good or bad because of what is happening now. Guilty are claiming they said it was ok to use thus n such 3d program. Never having allowed any this couldn't be happening now.

Ka Tet · May 29, 2010, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

quite frankly "sir" i won't insult your "intelligence" by pointing out that hoarded ectos cannot Dramatically Increase supply, as they are taken out of circulation, and the first bolded statement? bit of a jab at my comprehension eh? classy... so, I'll slow things down for you a bit too, who buys the high end items? botters, who sells the high end items? the botters, who needs the ectos for the high end items? you guessed it, the botters... now where are all those economy balancing ectos at? botters accounts perhaps? guess what, effectivly no botter has helped our economy. Finally in one last stroke of greed and sloth, botters hit the economy in a very interesting way, the simple act of existing and being banned took several unique, rare and irreplaceable items out of the game. Effectivly driving the price of the remaining rare and unique items even higher then before, so was this not a negative impact caused by breaching the EULA?

I'm not going to address the things you got wrong.
You did get one thing very right. When botters were banned, many items did leave the economy with them. You make an interesting point I did not think of. As demonstrated, while in the game botters had a favorable effect on the economy. It was only when they were banned, that negative circumstances arose.

untitled2005 · May 29, 2010, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Nice ban. Botters deserve nothing less. Ban their new accts too.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 29, 2010, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Femmefatal

When you tell the truth of what you did an admit your guilt no you are not lying. When you cry innocense and foul then yes you are lying just like you probably did growing up to your mommy and daddy when your butt was in trouble. You must know by now from just common law the guilty normally get no symphathy for any crime. To prison with all of them or in this case ban them for life as that is a good punishment for using anything but Anet material. I never agreed with any 3rd party programs good or bad because of what is happening now. Guilty are claiming they said it was ok to use thus n such 3d program. Never having allowed any this couldn't be happening now.

Say Johny DIDN'T steal a box.
They ask him,he says he did.

He's lying.

Being "honest"and taking the guilt upon oneself does not mean you are lying. Whether or not it is for a good cause is irrelevant,its still lying even if its a "good" lie.

Now saying the truth of what you did and saying what you think should be your punishment,is not lying.

Basicly,what most of people on guru belive,is that if you say you boted for 5 minutes you are lying,if you say you never boted and got banned you are lying,if you say "I'l be honest,I boted for 5 years. I'm sorry but I accept then ban" THEN you are saying the truth,even if it isn't the truth,and even if the other guys were telling the truth nonetheless.

TLDR: You are giving credit to those that over-boted and admit it,and are making guilty of those curious boters that admit it.

Props on something though,A-net shouldn't allow any 3rd party program. If it was like that,maybe not so much people would'v been sucked in. This,ofc,is still not A-net's fault.